Unflavored Gelatin

[IN.Fuser.07]

I've been lurking here for a while, I've dabbled with infusion a little in the past.

I got to thinking about natural substances that might work. So I did research and found that unflavored Gelatin is essentialy just animal collagen and collagen in general is used in plastic surgery and other medical applications.

So I thought I'd put this out there that Unflavored, plain Gelatin, mixed at different ratios might be interesting to try. Any thoughts on this?

[TinyMe]

Well, it is a thickening agent, so in that respect it might be good. But like anything else you might think of injecting into your body without any medical advice, who knows what could happen!!

[IN.Fuser.07]

I've found several medical uses that gelatin has been used for, both orally and internally via intravenous applications. Though I'll agree that there's likely a big difference between medical grade and food grade gelatin.

That being said, I also found sources for medical applications for xanthan gum, a temperature independent thickening agent that is readily available.

I will mull it over a bit and do more reading before I try anything.

[just4me]

this sounds like a cool fantasy
but
How would you know if its sterile and wont introduce something that will cause an infection?

[IN.Fuser.07]

this sounds like a cool fantasy
but
How would you know if its sterile and wont introduce something that will cause an infection?

That's a great question. I'd assume that preparing it with adequate heat (gelatin), and letting it cool, in as sterile an environment as possible in an average home may help. I guess it carries a lot of the same risk as anything else.

I'm not experienced enough to really say specifics for sure, just taking educated guesses from what I've read about all related subject matter. I'm definitely not a medical professional nor super experienced in this area.

[Calitex]

The biggest thing I’d be afraid of is keeping/making it sterile.
There is a big unknown with how your body will react to it.

It’s a very interesting and intriguing concept. If you do decide to try it out.

[Squirrel]

I'll echo the "sterile" comments of others. It's a lot easier to remain safe starting with known sterile fluids and equipment. We do this hobby in our non-sterile homes. Just trying to be mindful of potentially non sterile touch points of equipment is enough of a challenge. Save sterilizing of fluids for those who are familiar with it. I've been injecting for almost 25 years and have never made the leap to sterilizing home made fluids. I mix my own, but all ingredients are purchased sterile.

[pornyporn]

Couldnt you store the Gelatin in a clear glass container, and use UV lights to sterilize it?

[Calitex]

In theory the UV light plus proper boiling and handling could get it pretty close. But who’s gonna make that call and try it themselves knowing the risks involved

[mRuss]

Injecting Surgilube is dangerous enough. What you're describing is making your own gunpowder, your own gun, and your own bullets, and going to war.

[PumperSoCal]

There's also a markedly different rating between a food grade product and a sterile one. Every process you have to introduce a product to sterilize it, introduces another potential setup for bacteria to grow. And just because it's fit for consumption, doesn't mean your body wont potentially go into toxic shock from trying to infuse it into you and it sitting in an internal cavity. To me at least, this is way far outside the realm of chance to even attempt. If you're willing to experiment on how much to use, how much to mix, with however much saline or solution you plan to use. That's obviously on you to do, but there's a ton of unknown variables to test and for there to potentially go wrong. And losing your junk, or your life in the process, is that worth a high? Any of us can't obviously answer that, only the person can trying to attempt it.

[pornyporn]

There's also a markedly different rating between a food grade product and a sterile one. Every process you have to introduce a product to sterilize it, introduces another potential setup for bacteria to grow. And just because it's fit for consumption, doesn't mean your body wont potentially go into toxic shock from trying to infuse it into you and it sitting in an internal cavity. To me at least, this is way far outside the realm of chance to even attempt. If you're willing to experiment on how much to use, how much to mix, with however much saline or solution you plan to use. That's obviously on you to do, but there's a ton of unknown variables to test and for there to potentially go wrong. And losing your junk, or your life in the process, is that worth a high? Any of us can't obviously answer that, only the person can trying to attempt it.

I would suspect that if you boil it in a vacuum, and then run it under intense UV lights for a few hours. Surely nothing potentially dangerous would be able to survive that setup? Use a sterile tube to drain it into a pre-sterilized bag. Then the only variables should be the line and needle to inject with, which everyone has to deal with.
I personally really like the idea of gelatin, the viscosity of it intrigues me. Because of its properties, I dont suspect sterilization would be that difficult. Especially with the above mentioned set-up. Theres risks, sure, but I dont see it being any more dangerous than infusing air.

[Squirrel]

All these "what if" ideas about sterilizing fluids are starting to sound much more expensive than just buying known sterile injectables.

What is so different about the consistency or feel of gelatin compared to the many other sterile and safer options? Heck, SL, silicone, HA fillers, etc never end up feeling the same in the body as before they're injected. All of them feel harder or firmer than they were in the bottle/tube/bag. I'd be afraid of gelatin ending up like a rock inside my body.

[Blkcisg]

Gelitsn is sourced from different animals and possibly plants

animals,

Hydrocolloids have been popularly used as a gelling agent in food industries. [26], [27]. Most hydrocolloids are extracted from plants and in general, only gelatin is extracted from animals. Pig, cow, and fish collagens are the primary sources of gelatin. Hydrocolloids and gelatin have often been confused due to the fact that some scholars support the other family of hydrocolloids, particularly plants labeled as 'veggie gelatin.' Not all hydrocolloids are plant-based and gelatin is not a


In US mainly beef and pork, yes anything with gelatin, like candy bars is probably not kosher or halal,

Also: while chemically neutral, allergenic reactions, anaphylaxis and necrosis or even death can occur.

gelatins from different sources can cause different allergic reactions. Gelatin is derived from animal collagen, typically from cows (bovine), pigs (porcine), or fish. The specific protein structure in gelatin from each source can vary, leading to different allergic responses in sensitive individuals.

For instance:

1. **Bovine Gelatin**: Derived from cows, some people may be allergic to proteins specific to bovine sources. This type is commonly used in vaccines and some food products.

2. **Porcine Gelatin**: Derived from pigs, porcine gelatin is also widely used in food products, capsules for medications, and certain medical products. Individuals with a sensitivity to pork products might react to this type of gelatin.

3. **Fish Gelatin**: Derived from fish, this type of gelatin is less common in food products but is used in some pharmaceuticals and supplements. People with fish allergies may react to fish gelatin.

Cross-reactivity can occur between gelatins from different sources, but the severity and type of reaction can vary depending on the individual's specific sensitivities. If someone has a known gelatin allergy, it's important to identify the source and avoid all forms or be cautious with those derived from specific animals.

Simple answer, to be safe call 911 after injecting, if you have an allergic reaction, it will definitely be to late to call unless you can be intubated immediately.

Simple answer strict to inert substances not proteins, for example snake venom and bee stings are just proteins like gelatin and depending on source, even plants based gelatins can cause a reaction, your GI tract has 70% of your immune system and the acid in your stomach has hydrochloride acid, which breaks proteins into amino acids. Proteins injected into tissue will produce swelling, bruising and redness(inflammation)


TMI would consult a fetish friendly dermatologist or plastic surgeon or go to a dermatologist and tell him that a guy you know did this and you lost contact and ask what could have happened while he treats you for dry skin or something. Stay safer. There is no safe.

I’m not a physician, but I have degrees in biochemistry and have been involved in medical research. Test tube and animal models only. I have a clinician administering all my infusions. Because if I get in to trouble I'm not alone and I can go to extremes and they know physical limits and I don't have to guess. Next Tim I do belly or chest I’ll upload pics. Years ago, they had me looking like I weighed 100 pounds more. We are planning a session on his farm in Georgi, New years for 2 weeks and test limits and I can infuse and go into town where everyone will think that’s how my body looks all the time.

[Blkcisg]

I talked to my cousin who is a toxicologist

Don't confuse gelatin with collagen type I (native), collagen type II (native), or collagen peptides. These are not the same.

He said to include the following information, if someone is going to do this anyway. Using more than 15 grams,1/2 an ounce, by mouth daily.

When taken by mouth: Gelatin is commonly consumed in foods. It is possibly safe when used in larger amounts as medicine, short-term. But taking high doses of 15 grams daily might increase the risk for side effects, including sore throat, swollen gums, and mouth sores.


Suggest you have an Epipen on hand just for abundance of caution and use sterilized saline and sterile procedures if you do anyway and hope the gelatin isn’t tainted too much


Food-grade gelatin, when produced under proper manufacturing conditions, is typically free from harmful microorganisms. However, during production, handling, or storage, gelatin can potentially become contaminated with various microorganisms. The types of microorganisms that might be found in food-quality gelatin include:

1. **Bacteria**:
- **Salmonella spp.**: A pathogenic bacterium that can cause foodborne illness. Contamination can occur if the gelatin is made from raw materials not properly processed or if it is exposed to contaminated environments during production or packaging.
- **Escherichia coli (E. coli)**: Some strains of E. coli, especially E. coli O157:H7, can cause severe foodborne illness. Contamination might occur from improper sanitation or cross-contamination during processing.
- **Clostridium spp.**: These bacteria can survive in low-oxygen environments and could potentially contaminate gelatin if proper sterilization processes are not followed.
- **Staphylococcus aureus**: This bacterium can produce toxins that lead to food poisoning. Contamination could occur from improper handling or poor hygiene practices during manufacturing.

2. **Molds and Yeasts**:
- **Aspergillus spp.**: A type of mold that can grow on various food products, including gelatin, under suitable conditions of moisture and temperature.
- **Penicillium spp.**: Another mold that can grow in food products, especially in improperly stored gelatin.
- **Candida spp.**: A type of yeast that can be present in gelatin if there is contamination from the environment or from raw materials.

3. **Spoilage Organisms**:
- **Pseudomonas spp.**: Bacteria that are known for causing spoilage in food products, potentially affecting the quality of gelatin.
- **Bacillus spp.**: These are spore-forming bacteria that can survive high temperatures and might be present if gelatin is not adequately sterilized.

**Quality Control Measures**:
- **Sterilization and Pasteurization**: To ensure that gelatin is free from harmful microorganisms, it is typically subjected to sterilization or pasteurization during processing.
- **Good Manufacturing Practices (GMP)**: Manufacturers follow GMP to minimize the risk of microbial contamination. This includes proper handling, sanitation, and storage conditions.
- **Regular Testing**: Gelatin products are often tested for microbial contamination before they are approved for food use.

In general, properly produced and handled food-quality gelatin is safe for consumption and should not contain harmful levels of microorganisms. However, if gelatin is improperly stored or handled, contamination is possible, leading to the presence of these microorganisms.

Unflavored gelatin is a protein product derived from collagen, typically obtained from animal bones, skin, and connective tissues. Chemically, it primarily consists of:

1. Collagen Protein: Gelatin is composed mainly of collagen peptides, which are long chains of amino acids. The primary amino acids in gelatin include:
• Glycine: The most abundant amino acid in gelatin.
• Proline
• Hydroxyproline
• Alanine
• Glutamic acid
• Arginine
• Aspartic acid
2. Water: When gelatin is hydrated, it absorbs water and swells, forming a gel-like substance. The amount of water can vary depending on its preparation.
3. Mineral Salts: Gelatin may contain small amounts of mineral salts, which are residues from the processing of animal tissues.
4. Moisture: Gelatin typically contains a small percentage of moisture (water content) when sold in powdered or sheet form.
5. Trace Elements: Depending on the source and processing, gelatin may contain trace amounts of calcium, phosphorus, sodium, and other minerals from the animal sources.

There are no carbohydrates, fats, or sugars in pure unflavored gelatin.

Potential Allergic Reactions When Gelatin is Injected:

1. Anaphylaxis: A severe, life-threatening allergic reaction that can occur within minutes of exposure. Symptoms include difficulty breathing, rapid heartbeat, swelling of the face and throat, hives, and a drop in blood pressure. Immediate medical intervention is required.
2. Immediate Hypersensitivity Reactions: These reactions can include symptoms such as urticaria (hives), angioedema (swelling), and respiratory distress. These reactions occur quickly after injection.
3. Delayed Hypersensitivity Reactions: Some individuals might experience a delayed reaction that can occur hours to days after exposure, characterized by localized skin reactions, swelling, or more generalized symptoms.
4. Immune System Activation: Injected gelatin can lead to the activation of the immune system in those who are sensitized, leading to an exaggerated immune response.

Important Considerations:

• Vaccine-Associated Reactions: Some vaccines contain gelatin as a stabilizer, and individuals with a known gelatin allergy should inform their healthcare provider before receiving a vaccine to prevent an adverse reaction.
• Allergy Testing: If there is a concern about a potential gelatin allergy, especially in a medical context where gelatin might be injected, an allergist might perform skin testing or other diagnostic tests to assess the risk of a reaction.

In summary, injecting gelatin into someone who is allergic to it can lead to serious allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, which requires prompt treatment with epinephrine and emergency medical care.