permanent gains

[beastmodereg]

I really think I'm about to invest in a vacutech pump system but I just want to know if pumping gives permanent gains? Any info would be appreciated

[HugeHefner]

Man I asked this same question and no.one responded. Interesting

[prelude99]

It may be because of a few factors.

One being that most of us that start doing this don't record from the very start any before pictures or measurements. This makes proving it impossible and leads to skeptics whenever a claim is made.

Another factor is many guys that get into this are in it for the dramatics in appearance and play fun.

The few that take it as a routined form of growing their cock are the ones you should seek. We will provide you with your answer, but again you run into the problem of proof.

I've grown, my growth according to my first postings to my current maximum dimensions are as follows :

Length start : 7.9-8.1
Length current : between 9.2-10.1 with a max of 11" with tailors tape ( depends on how long I'm hard)

Girth start : 7.01
Girth current : 7.6-7.8 mid shaft base 8.6 again depends on how long I've been hard.

So if you ask me I'll say yes, permanent growth can happen. How many members here really analyze it and " care " about gaining permanently not many. It's a great hobby, and a great practice to grow yourself if you are serious and patient!

[CaptnPumpHard]

Very encouraging words Prelude99

[yonut]

Newbie pumper here but I see no reason to believe it wouldn't work for permanent gains, especially girth. Manual PE and stretchers/hangers etc. are so widly tested and successful and I gained from them myself so there is no doubt. And what all those devices and techniques do is essentially stretching the ligaments or the tunica. Now pumping does that as well and if I'm not mistaken better than any other method could provide at least for horizontal stretch(girth).
As an easy test you could try jelquing as hard as you can and see how much your tunica gets stretched......and then go into any tube and after 2 minutes you should easily beat that already.
Now, imagine holding a big jelq for 30mins......1 hour.......2 hours.....without causing your dick to fall of because of lack of bloodflow.
If jelquing works, this is jelquing on steroids.
From expirience it's just a matter of how many hours you spend in a stretched state(and how hard you stretch it) that determines your growth.
Also I did research here on the forum, which imo is the best for pumping, and especially some of preludes posts on corepumping I found very compelling. Basically when you choose a Tube size that you can pack without too much effort and stay in there the result is less fluid accumulation in the skin and therefore more tunica stretch.
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I also looked for info on permanent gains from ball pumping and made my first experiments. Believe it will be possible to grow my balls without stretching my sack.
When I first tried to pump them, 3hg was plenty pressure to make my balls ache and I was very surprised that the skin wasn't even stretched.
The logic is pretty simple: You have a bag of skin which has more space than the internals(testicles, spermatic cords, fluids etc.) need. Imagine it like it's a vacuum bag for food that could fit way more.
So when you apply negative pressure on the outersurface via pumping, it's like pulling from every side on that vaccum bag but the internals simply can't fill the space that's needed for the bag to even straighten out, let alone stretch.
So all the pressure goes to the internals aka balls while your sack is not stretched in any way. The catch is that if you apply enough pressure over enough time there will be fluids drawn to the sack. Your balls stop aching because there is enough fluid to fill the space and on top of that now your sack gets full and eventually stretches.
So if you think about it, overpumping the balls, like is so commonly done, is the number one way to hinder real gains. Even worse is if you regularly pump in this way: Your sack is already full from the last pump session and now you need to stretch your skin first in order to put pressure on the internals again and by that time the fluid flow is already in motion and you never get pressure on the balls basically.
BTW. testicles have tunicas as well.....and again, stretch over time means gains.
My routine for ball pumping is pumping as long as:
a) my balls ache
b) i'm not noticing any fluid buildup
c) my skin doesn't get stretched
d) I can endure the pressure in my balls

Exception to this would be guys that have relatively large balls and small sack. If the internals already fill the bag they need to stretch skin first.

So yeah, happy gaining my friend!

[kingsnake]

I have gained over an inch in length and girth from almost 10 years of PE but not from pumping on its own. In my opinion pumping by itself does not lead to permanent gains for 90% of the population. Of course there's that 10% of the population like Prelude that has gained but even Prelude has had to work hard and put in long grueling hours of pumping for many years to get his gains. I believe other forms of PE are more suited for permanent gains like manual stretching, penis weight hanging and ADS use. Pumping is a great way to flush fresh blood into the penis after hanging and ADS use is done for the day but a pumping only routine doesn't yield permanent results for most.

Most people don't want to hear this but it takes many hours of mechanical tension or stretch force to the penis to induce an increase in actual tissue mass of the penis. I'm talking about the actual spongy tissues of the penis that hold the blood during an erection and the tough dense tunica that wraps around the spongy tissues like a tough casing. If you can permanently stretch the tunica to a greater size then you will permanently increase girth. Unfortunately like I said before. This takes many hours a day of constant mechanical tension being placed on the penis. At least 4 hours a day for 3 months to 5 years depending on the individual and his genetics.

[prelude99]

You are very true king snake. When people used to ask me my routines and such because they wanted to grow too my first response was patience, diligence, and consistency. They all wanted to know the activities I did to grow and in the beginning those aspects needed to be adjusted before I could realize any real growth.

Also pumping is my primary form of PE but it's not my only. My routine itself is comprised of several different manual work outs, supplements, and pumping. Pumping turbo charges your manual work thus leading to my gains. Most guys don't want to do the full on work, they want the lose weight over night pill, and have their ideal 8x6 that women dream if they pull here twice on one foot. The simple solution isn't there. Time is required.

Yet all are unique and the journey is fun however you wanna get there!

[beastmodereg]

Thanks for responding I did manual and size genetics and grew about half an inch in length in about 7 months so I know it works but I didn't cement it so I'm back to square one. I'm starting back and just wantedbto add pumping to the routine and really y'all answered my question about it thanks fellas

[Reb6790]

You are very true king snake. When people used to ask me my routines and such because they wanted to grow too my first response was patience, diligence, and consistency. They all wanted to know the activities I did to grow and in the beginning those aspects needed to be adjusted before I could realize any real growth.

Also pumping is my primary form of PE but it's not my only. My routine itself is comprised of several different manual work outs, supplements, and pumping. Pumping turbo charges your manual work thus leading to my gains. Most guys don't want to do the full on work, they want the lose weight over night pill, and have their ideal 8x6 that women dream if they pull here twice on one foot. The simple solution isn't there. Time is required.

Yet all are unique and the journey is fun however you wanna get there!

Bro you must have a lot to learn about women and their preferences. 8x6 might be size queen shit but most women don’t want that size. That is for the male ego. 8x6 is by far the most bought or popular dildo on the market. Even the national institute of health got women to find the ideal size and it was 6.5 x 5. Where do you guys get 8x6 from I will never know. I know why you watch way to much porn. It’s a known fact the Goldilocks girth is like 5.5. Some will say 6 but it’s very few peeps. Look up the polls and the best bought dildos it’s far from 8x6. Once you get their good luck with the majority of the population and how frequently you get ass.

[Reb6790]

You are very true king snake. When people used to ask me my routines and such because they wanted to grow too my first response was patience, diligence, and consistency. They all wanted to know the activities I did to grow and in the beginning those aspects needed to be adjusted before I could realize any real growth.

Also pumping is my primary form of PE but it's not my only. My routine itself is comprised of several different manual work outs, supplements, and pumping. Pumping turbo charges your manual work thus leading to my gains. Most guys don't want to do the full on work, they want the lose weight over night pill, and have their ideal 8x6 that women dream if they pull here twice on one foot. The simple solution isn't there. Time is required.

Yet all are unique and the journey is fun however you wanna get there!

I feel bad for guys who think they need 8x6 to please women. That’s what’s me up every time I swear!!! Good luck with that lol

[Reb6790]

You are very true king snake. When people used to ask me my routines and such because they wanted to grow too my first response was patience, diligence, and consistency. They all wanted to know the activities I did to grow and in the beginning those aspects needed to be adjusted before I could realize any real growth.

Also pumping is my primary form of PE but it's not my only. My routine itself is comprised of several different manual work outs, supplements, and pumping. Pumping turbo charges your manual work thus leading to my gains. Most guys don't want to do the full on work, they want the lose weight over night pill, and have their ideal 8x6 that women dream if they pull here twice on one foot. The simple solution isn't there. Time is required.

Yet all are unique and the journey is fun however you wanna get there!

Dude look at your pic of your dick in that pump. Do you really think women want that? You have alot to learn about the female anatomy foreal. Do you not know the g spot and a spot are like 2-6 inches in. And like 90% of all women will never have a posterior fornix orgasm. You making these ungodly gains for nothing. 7x5.5 is clearly at max the ideal size man. Maybe 7x5.75. You got you guys talking about 9-10 inches good fucking luck man with that shit. Do you not know this about sex yet? Here look https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8046227/

[PumperSoCal]

Some of you guys are also assuming that it's for women's enjoyment, when it in fact isn't. The split of straight men on here is far lower than gents that are gay. The other is, not everyone that pumps does it for sexual gains. Some just do it because it feels good. Another is they are no longer sexually active with their significant other and it's a sexual activity they enjoy. So penetrative sex is a non-issue. And those are just a few exceptions. The ability to pleasure a woman is not the measure by why men pump. For some, sure. But obviously not all. Assuming so, and chastising those that have outside the "average" range of penis sizes from pumping is very near sighted. Me being a straight male, I keep my pump sessions in a 2.25" tube. Which yields plenty of girth for fun and lay off it for normal intercourse with my wife. But everyone pumps for different reasons. It's not just for gains for having sex with women.

But to the main topic at hand, yes, depending on how you pump and the frequency permanent gains are possible. But the biggest variable in pumping is that of how much your gains are based on what routine(s) work for you. Everyone is different.

[kp2]

While my wife has enjoyed me at 8¼"x2¾" fully pumped, I now pump for entirely my own reasons - which is why I started too.

[prelude99]

You are very true king snake. When people used to ask me my routines and such because they wanted to grow too my first response was patience, diligence, and consistency. They all wanted to know the activities I did to grow and in the beginning those aspects needed to be adjusted before I could realize any real growth.

Also pumping is my primary form of PE but it's not my only. My routine itself is comprised of several different manual work outs, supplements, and pumping. Pumping turbo charges your manual work thus leading to my gains. Most guys don't want to do the full on work, they want the lose weight over night pill, and have their ideal 8x6 that women dream if they pull here twice on one foot. The simple solution isn't there. Time is required.

Yet all are unique and the journey is fun however you wanna get there!

Bro you must have a lot to learn about women and their preferences. 8x6 might be size queen shit but most women don’t want that size. That is for the male ego. 8x6 is by far the most bought or popular dildo on the market. Even the national institute of health got women to find the ideal size and it was 6.5 x 5. Where do you guys get 8x6 from I will never know. I know why you watch way to much porn. It’s a known fact the Goldilocks girth is like 5.5. Some will say 6 but it’s very few peeps. Look up the polls and the best bought dildos it’s far from 8x6. Once you get their good luck with the majority of the population and how frequently you get ass.

I think you took what I said out of context. My 8x6 statement was used as what people out there consider to be the dream size and that just can't be achieved without work. Time. Patience. However they want to use what they build is up to them. My goal is just to show it can be grown.

If you want help actually getting bigger plenty of guys here can help you with that. How you use your size is not my concern but if using it on a woman who doesn't want to accommodate that size would just be unfortunate. Growing to a 5" girth should be easy to pull off for you man!

We are all here to help!