Test and hGH suplementation

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BoogieMan69
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Test and hGH suplementation

Post by BoogieMan69 »

I figured I'd better send this topic to it's own thread.

So I have a confirmed low T count - was under 250 I believe. My dr. said for me to use AndroGel. I'm using about 7.5mg / day - every day.

In another thread, Hobo said hgh suplementation is also a kick in the pants. I asked my Dr. about this but he won't do it and said it's extremely risky and has a ton of side effects - worse then the AndroGel.

What about some of these over the counter HGH enhancing supplements? I can't afford 500/week for black market stuff. I read on a PE board that HGH injected into the penis *could* make it grow so the thought did cross my mind but 500/week is too much.



Hobo - thanks for the reply in the other thread - I was wondering if I needed an estrogen blocker but if you don't need that until you get past 500mg/week I should be good.
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Post by hobo »

HGC (progesterone) injected IM will make the testicles bigger and help, along with other ancillaries to increase your natural test production.

However, if you are actually on TRT, you don't need to do this because although exogenous test does stop your body from making it's own - they just adjust the dosage for TRT until you have enough to feel normal. Since you are getting it from a replacement source, you don't need to make your own. The testicles will shrink some, but who cares - then she can fit them both in her mouth. :D I actully like my time on better than off, smaller balls, higher test levels, the chicas can smell it I think - they come onto me all the time while I'm on, never while I'm off. Just the other day a hottie 15 years younger than me tried to take me home. Sadly, even though it's an ego boost, it simply can't happen. I won't cheat.

HGH is another thing entirely. Yes it does cause growth if you take enough, possibly even growing a bigger penis if you have enough HGH in the presence of a high test level. The risks are: enlarged heart, enlarged cranium, enlarged joints, enlarged jaw, huge distended enlarged abdomen. Notice the IFBB pro bodybuilders these days, the time of the asthetic bodybuilder like the ones from the 50's-80's have passed away. The huge abdomens on today's pros is from the "GH gut" with the distended abdomen. Increase body fat level from 3 or 4 percent to a normal male's level of 10-15 percent you'll look rather obese.

The enlarged heart is simply too much of a risk for most people to take unless they are at an elite level of a sport with their livelihood depending on success and it's the only way to keep up because everyone else is using it.
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Post by BoogieMan69 »

Thank you for the excellent response!

So from your answer, I should ditch the hgh and use the AndroGel like crazy and away we go! That sounds like a good plan but I had to ask about some of the hgh supplements - I don't like the idea of dying from enlarged organs... maybe from using a large external organ? :lol:

I also have high cholesterol and boarderline blood pressure but haven't been diagnosed with high BP. Any specific tips to this? I saw an ad for Levitra and I was suprised that they mention high BP and cholesterol levels as one reason many folks have erection difficulties...
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Post by hobo »

If you are using test, your blood pressure and lipids do have a likelihood of increasing. Thats just part of the side effects of having testosterone in your system - hence the reason why for years men had more heart attacks than women.


Androgel and injectable test at appropriate medically supervised dosages do not increase the risk factor as much as taking oral test related drugs such as a-bombs or d-bol which raise the test to 2-3 times normal levels. However there is some risk - just not much more than being a man with normal test levels.

Safety and efficacy of testosterone supplimentation in relatively has been proven, that's why it's FDA approved.


When I was on oral steroids (for a valid medical reason) I had to have my liver enzymes tested monthly, lipid profile checked monthly, blood pressure and heartrate checked weekly. Everything did go up some, but not drastically - mostly because I was on a rather low dosage and using one that's considered safe to give to women and even children - in very low dosages of course.

Androgel and injectable are probably the best and safest, because they haven't been chemically altered to survive the first pass in the liver like the orals have. They kind of bypass the liver to get into the system. Nothing you put into your body is completely liver safe though, because once it's in your blood, it's going through the liver everytime it circulates through your body.

The best way to control blood pressure and cholesterol levels is through diet and exercise. Simply walking 30 minutes 2-3 times a week is enough to improve both. When this becomes easy, start running along with the walks. I started out and could only walk a very short distance, sit down and rest, then walk back to where I started. Eventually I was walking 8 miles a day and it was too easy. After that I started running short distances - 100 meters with 100 meter walks in between. Over time, my level of fitness got better and better by very gradually increasing what I'd do. This past may, I did my first triathlon. Not bad for having been unable to walk without assistance 3 years before.

Diet to control it isn't that hard either. Just remember that you have storage space for 15g of glycogen/kg of lean body mass in your body. If you go over that, the excess is stored in and on your body as saturated fat and cholesterol.

Simply determine your caloric need for each day and eat a balance of 45% carbohydrate, 35% protein, and 20% fat (choosing healthier fats when possible) equal to that need. To burn fat or reduce cholesterol levels, reduce carbs and increase fat intake until it starts improving. A reduction of as little as 300-500 calories below maintenance each day will result in about a 1lb/week fat loss. In increase of the same amount above maintenance with a good exercise plan will result in about a 1/2 pound/week of muscle gain. This is of course slightly oversimplified - but it's basically how it works.

The key is finding exactly what your body needs and giving it what it needs based on your health goals.

When I cut, I eat up to 60% fat and as low as 5% carbs - but only for a couple of months at a time - and this is to get to 3-4% bodyfat. Not something that could be reccomended for a lifetime of course. But my lipids certainly improve greatly when I do this - then I'm good for another year of eating really big and trying to build more muscle.

If you need more specific information. Just ask. I'll be glad to help. I design nutrition and workout plans for bodybuilders wanting to get huge and just fat people who want to get healthier.

You folks here have helped me. I'll gladly return the favor anytime you want. Just not with pics. :D The little fella is getting better, but still kind of shy.
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Post by BoogieMan69 »

Thanks man - lots of info! I really need to start a cardio program. I would sometimes play racquetball but that wasn't frequent enough. Have you been to bodybuilding.com's forums? There's usually a lot of info, some of it you have to take with a grain of salt but some of the recipies seemed okay.
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Post by hobo »

I was there a long time ago. Too much info there from the bodybuilding magazines for my taste. I don't like complicated high volume routines. I stick to the basics using heavy compound lifts. Sometimes I do splits, sometimes I do full body workouts. I'll make a program, ride it as far as it takes me, then change it.

For gear information I stick to real medical sources. Most of my friends are physicians or nurses. Good resource to learn stuff with real information that they would tell a friend, but couldn't legally tell a patient.
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Post by BoogieMan69 »

Thx!
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